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Govt. enforcing laws is now Christian Persecution

Idaho

In Idaho, two christian ministers are facing possible fines and jail time for refusing to follow the law. Sounds reasonable to me personally. If I refuse to follow the speed limit, then I face possible jail time and fines, but why are these two ministers so special? Well the specific law they are wanting to ignore interferes with their faith so that must mean it's unconstitutional to make them do it.

In the wake of the courts overriding previous marriage equality laws, the city passed a "Non-discrimination" ordinance that is " [..] aimed at protecting lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people (LGBT) in areas of employment and public accommodations [...] by preventing people from discriminating against them solely based on “sexual orientation, gender identity and expression.”" (1) . This ordinance was passed with a substantial 5 - 1 vote back on 5 June 2014. So if you are an establishment in the city providing a service you must comply with the ordinance, there isn't a discussion on the matter. That means you can't refuse service to someone based on race, religion, or sexual orientation. This is merely extending an already existing law that didn't cover sexual orientation.

The Problem

There are two ministers, husband and wife team, that own a chapel and perform marriages as a service, which they charge a fee for doing. They run a business but due to their religious beliefs they feel they should be exempted from this particular law. A person's faith shouldn't grant them a free pass on the law. If they don't like the laws where they live, they can move.

If it was part of my deeply held religious beliefs that i got to hold sex slaves for my own perverse pleasure should I be exempted from the law? If it was part of my beliefs that I can speed everywhere that I go and to not give a fuck about traffic lights, do I get a free pass? No I wouldn't to either situation and neither should these people. The problem is that people think that their beliefs have rights which is in large part due to the Supreme Court. They have done so much damage to the Separation of Church and State that it will take some time to repair.

If we start making exceptions for these deeply held religious beliefs, then we are going to have to start writing exemptions in more dangerous areas (as cited above). I'm NOT sorry that you can't force your bigoted ideals on others and treat other people as less than human because you don't agree with their lifestyle. I don't agree with your lifestyle or the general lifestyle of christian that indoctrinates their children using fear and self hate. Fear of hell for small shit they do because they are human and when they do succumb to human traits or desires they hate themselves for it. I know because I experienced it.

People Have Rights, Ideas Don't

Old Grievances

As I read the original article I can't help but to feel like I'm reading a story out of the Civil Rights Era. The Bible has had a receding line of where it is inline with our current moral standards yet they refuse to accept that their use of the bible's morality changes. It's just sad really. Once a certain belief or doctrine doesn't hold with reality, they do more research into what god meant or how the bible was written to reveal it's "true" meaning. They have done that with the laws set out in Leviticus. They group them into cultural laws and moral laws that are supposed to be objective.

So for instance this would be a cultural law that was only in effect before Christ:

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

-- Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB

and this one would be a moral law that exists today:

If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.

-- Leviticus 20:13

But Leviticus 20:13 only applies in that god dislikes homosexual acts.... not that we should kill them, or at least that is how one Jehovah's Witness told me. It's highly disingenuous to act like "god" doesn't want homosexual's dead. What changed about "god's" attitude that made him lighten up. I guess having a kid really does that to you, especially when your son is really just yourself in corporeal form. I mean he did say:

God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind [...]

-- Numbers 23:19

So "god" is either a liar or this inerrant book has some errors about god's true nature. This is also true for slavery and the mistreatment of women. The same arguments that are being used in the article were the same ones being used to fight the civil rights movement. Not only do we have actual evidence from the civil rights movement in the form of images and speeches but also because there are preachers now that are spreading the same racist shit.

Equality

The answer is simple: No exceptions. Treating each other as equals shouldn't be this difficult. We shouldn't have to force people under threat of jail time and fines to treat someone like they are a fucking person. There will be growing pains as the nation grows with this new shift in society because that's what's happening in America right now. A social shift to marriage equality. Now if we could just get people to stop worrying about their fucking gender....

TSSG

Created: 2014-10-19 15:25:08

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