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Out of their league

Today I was visited by 2 Female Jehovah's witnesses and I really needed a good laugh.

The Beginning

I hear two small knocks on my door and when I open it i find two women, caucasian and african american, holding a bible. They start talking about suicide and asked how I felt about it. I explained that people who are suicidal probably see it as the only way out of whatever situation they are in and it seemed like a good idea at the time. That's when they broke out the "good" book and turned to a passage in revelation that apparently proves there is no reason to commit suicide .... whatever...

I did see an opening to challenge their notion that The Bible is "good," so I presented a few arguments to 1) see how they would respond and 2) to maybe plant a seed of doubt. In every exchange I have with these types of christians, I try to plant that seed of doubt because nobody is going to flip on their beliefs after 20 minutes of talking to anyone... or at least they shouldn't. I started challenging this notion by bringing up Leviticus 20:13.

Leviticus 20:13

I asked them how could they call the bible "good" when you have verses like Leviticus 20:13 that call for the deaths of innocent people. The black woman got her bible and started to look up the verse. When she found it, she recited it out loud and said "That just means that god frowns on homosexuality." My face grew skeptical as I looked at her and said "Really? That's what you pulled out of the verse?" With a serious expression on her clueless face she said "Well yes... of course."

Next I pointed out to them that in the "eyes of god" divorce and remarriage is just as "bad" as homosexuality. After they confirmed that they knew this, even including that unless it's due to sexual immorality, I asked "Do you allow divorced and remarried people in your congregation?" They of course had no problem acknowledging that group but when I asked about homosexuals they denied allowing or having homosexuals in their congregation. Nice way to stay consistent JWs.

Racism and the Bible

After they tried to prove that they weren't being hypocritical, I asked them "How do you feel about people using the bible, the very same one you have in your hands, to condone slavery?" They obviously weren't prepared for the Godless Engineer when they knocked on this door. They attempted to say "People twist the bible into advancing their own agenda and opinions but that is not what the bible teaches." I responded by saying "Are you sure? because the verse where god tells people exactly how to beat their slaves without getting punished is working against you. Also the verse that tells you exactly how to buy slaves is there also." I stopped after those two verses because the women were puzzled because they didn't know those verse were in the bible. Seeing their faces turn into expressions of confusion, I decided to shift gears a little bit.

I then proceeded to ask "Since there are 350,000 different versions of christianity, how do you know that you are right and not just pushing your own opinion about god's word?" They then tried to explain how they knew they had the correct version of "god's" word because they had been coached by elders in their church. This was even less convincing than the mormons that stopped by because at least they tried to say that they felt like they had the correct version.

At this point, one of the women just shook her head and said "You poor deluded soul." I laughed softly and shook my head.

Misogyny in the Bible

My next point to make was the several points in the bible where misogyny is apparent. I linked and defined that term because these women didn't even know what the word meant!!!

My first point was the recurring theme that the blame is heavily placed on women even in the first few parts of Genesis. I explained how Eve was the first to take a bite of the fruit from the tree of knowledge. How this concept of "original sin" can be solely traced back to Eve and how God punished Eve, as well as all women, with painful process of childbirth; however, men escaped without such harsh punishment. Then I went straight into the Abram, Sarai, and Hagar threesome where Sarai tells Abram to have a child with Hagar. After Hagar becomes pregnant, Sarai blames Abram for the way she feels and eventually calls for Abram to exile Hagar and Ishmael. So Sarai / Sarah tells Abram to have a child with her SLAVE and then she gets mad about it, of course they explained it away with "Well Ishmael was hurting Isaac." The actual text says that Ishmael / Hagar were "mocking" them so I'm unsure as to how they were coached into believing that they were hurting Isaac / Sarah.

Those were the only two instances I was able to get out before they started telling me that I needed proper bible classes and that they provided free in home bible studies if I was interested. I wasn't.

Why Even Try

I feel that it is very important to challenge these beliefs and plant these seeds of doubt. If the these seeds take hold, that's great! If they don't take hold, then either that wasn't the correct argument to make for you and I hope that someone else makes an argument that actually takes root in your brain. If they are too far gone for reason to have any kind of affect on your mental state, then I feel very sorry for you.

Never stop challenging.

Never stop planting seeds of logic, reason, and rationality.

Created: 2014-04-30 13:10:55

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